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There has been quite a bit of talk about Layout recently, which is great. Something that I need, that I can't figure out how to do (maybe because I haven't used it much yet), is to be able to draw in 2d on top of a referenced view at full scale. Since the sheet exists in real world scale (24x36) and the models are referenced in at a display scale (1/4"=1'-0"), there is no way that I can find to draw a 2x4 wood member correctly in Layout, for example, to augment the model view. 

 

I'm just thinking out loud here trying to understand the workflow for typical architectural and shop drawings. I'd prefer not to have to draw or model all of the detail into the main model, but would like to be able to augment my model with 2d line work and be able to draw it with real-world units so it's accurate.

 

Any help is appreciated.

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Also I've noticed that sometimes views that have been referenced in from a model move once the model has been saved/updated/synced. Nothing in the model has moved. Just the content in the reference frame moves. All I did was save it. So dimensions I have placed in Layout that were snapped to geometry in a referenced view no longer reference the points I snapped to. This is maddening. The weird thing is that only one view (out of 5 on the sheet) moved. The rest stay put. But there is no knowing which view is going to move, not that any should at all. This makes Layout useless.

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The view in question that moves if using the "top" view setting. Making my own "site" view (which is effectively the same as "top") in the model and referencing that as the view for the frame makes it so the view doesn't change/jump. Non of the other standard views that I've referenced jump when syncing.

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Another bug: I have a view in Layout that uses a custom Clipping Plane from the model to be used as a section cut. Every time I go back into the 3d model, the Clipping Plane has been reactivated. I have to manually turn it off every single time.

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He Evan,

 

Drawing at scale in Layout mode is a suggestion that we have on our list, but currently there is not an option for that.  We will see if that can be added in the future.

 

We have also verified that Layout with Clipping Planes can inadvertently activate the Clipping Plane in the Project.  Thanks for your report, we will get this corrected.

 

Regarding the other issues, we are not reproducing these.  If you reboot your computer and can still reproduce them, please send the FML and FMZ files so we can test with these here, and thanks in advance...

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It seems for now the best workflow is to draw a 2d detail at full scale as a separate FMZ model and then reference that in at whatever scale necessary. Thanks!

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Ok, that sounds reasonable.  

 

Regarding the other issues, we are not reproducing these.  If you reboot your computer and can still reproduce them, please send the FML and FMZ files so we can test with these here, and thanks in advance...

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I added another frame to the layout and chose top view. It works as expected, so I'm not sure why one would work and the other one wouldn't. I've seen this behavior before, so I'll keep my eye out and let you know if I see it again. 

 

As far as being able to draw in Layout on a frame at 1:1 scale, this would still be a great addition. For instance, I want to show an edge of something that is obscured by another object, so I want to draw that edge as a dashed line. Currently there is no way to do that in Layout without pulling out a calculator and converting the scale down to a fraction of real world units when drawing. 

 

In Revit, I can create a reference of the model as an independent view. I can then draft whatever I want on top of the 3d objects in 2d, but at 1:1 scale when the view is activated. Those detail lines only show up in that view. This is a great way to work because I can augment my model with small details only in that view without the penalty of modeling every little part all over the model. This is a key workflow for architects.

 

Thanks for listening  :)

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I find an economical way to produce 2d working diagrams with good scaling, snapping, layer, color and dimensioning controls as well as 2d sections of the 3d model is to export the FormZ model [as long as no revisions will be needed] to dwg format which can be directly opened with Turbocad Deluxe, which is currently on a January special offer from Paul the Cad, the UK distributor. It is a good very cheap package to include in one's toolkit, it compliments my favourite 3d modeller, FormZ nicely. I don't think you need the heavier duty pro version. It might be a simpler workflow for you especially as it can also save out to dwg.

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