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HI all,

I am having tremendously long wait times saving on Windows 10 64. Yes my files are over a gig, and I do build them according to Paul's old guidelines. I have never had a solid state drive before. Would adding this to my machine this speed up saving files to a folder stored on the desktop for working?

Thanks,

John A

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The Read/Write speeds of a solid-state drive are usually going to be higher than RW speeds on a hard drive. In theory, this should reduce your loading times!

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That's a big FMZ file, but SSD will absolutely help, especially if it is a m2 pcie based SSD stick.  Much faster than the SATA based SSD.

One other important thing to check, FormZ IMHO has many poorly chosen default settings.  Two of the worst that will greatly affect your saving speed are under the File settings where it defaults to Keep Textures and the slider toward Smaller files (aka Compression).  Both of these are absurd to have as default.  Unselect Keep Textures, and move the slider toward Open Fast (aka Save Fast).  Let us know if your save times are improved.

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Hi Justin,

I think that helped make it faster once the save progress bar starts. I am getting a long delay before the progress bar even starts. About as long as the progress bar takes. It almost seems as if it is saving somewhere else and then saving the file into the required directory. What is it doing before the progress bar starts?

 

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Actually the reason why it takes a while prior to the progress bar is because it's preparing to save. Putting everything together prior to saving. The bigger the file, the worse it is. Also, I've noticed that if the file has been worked on for many days, the slower it is to save. If you actually copied everything to a fresh empty file, the first few times it saves it will be leaps and bounds faster.

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13 hours ago, allanjl said:

Actually the reason why it takes a while prior to the progress bar is because it's preparing to save. Putting everything together prior to saving. The bigger the file, the worse it is. Also, I've noticed that if the file has been worked on for many days, the slower it is to save. If you actually copied everything to a fresh empty file, the first few times it saves it will be leaps and bounds faster.

this doesn't make sense to me... in theory if you work on a file (any file/format) for 2 days or 200 days, if the file size stays the same then read/write speeds (and if everything else on the computer is unchanged) should remain constant?  right?  or do you think this is specific to formZ and there's an optimization issue with saves/re-writes?

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I believe that formZ didn't used to do this. I was away for a while and came back. I am using formZ all day every day now and noticing this drag. I was suspicious that it was calculating the save and then checking the drive directory to see if there is enough room before actually writing. This is a wild ass guess, what would be called speculation.

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I now suspect this has to with formZ saving the shaded work or full image that is being displayed at the moment of saving. My save times have inexplicably gotten shorter though, even for larger files. I wonder if my machine was doing things in the background when I was seeing the trouble.

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We can speculate all day, but without AutoDesSys chiming in, it's unlikely we'll ever know for sure.  

I can say though that if you setup your defaults as I've described above, and save those as part of your Template for new projects, you'll always have fast NEW files.  

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Reading through this thread, Does any one have any good suggestions for SSD brand? Justin, it looks like you thumbs up the PCIe route over the SATA. Do any of you have brand and model preferences for optimal performance (MacPro 2010). Aside from saving files faster, what other areas will I see boosted with a SSD? I assume it will help speed up opening FZ. When we went to v9 it now takes forever to open vs the earlier versions. Our world of instant gratification.... Time is sanity, and money.

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Hi Matt,

Getting a NVME PCIe SSD in your Mac Pro will certainly improve these speeds, but you are still going to be dealing with much slower performance than just about any other new workstation when it comes to these simple single core optimized tasks.  That's because new CPUs are much much faster than they were back in 2010.  You are also playing chance on when the machine will fail, likely right in the middle of a stressful rendering operation.  IT Professionals recommend 3D design and rendering workstations be replaced every 3-5 years for optimal performance and the least chance of down time for mission critical work.  Apple did an amazing job back then at offering competitive hardware that was built to last.  But after 10 years, it's really starting to push the limit as to when it will fail.  Newer Apple hardware cannot compare to the Windows based AMD CPU workstations for 3D design and rendering.  Check out the new Threadripper 3960x, 3970x, or 3990x to see how much more CPU power you can get than the sadly overpriced and underpowered Intel offerings that Apple offers.   https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/V-Ray-CPU-Rendering-Performance-Intel-Core-10th-Gen-vs-AMD-Ryzen-3rd-Gen-1764/

All to say that I agree.  Time is sanity, and money.   It works the other way too.  Spend the money to protect your time and sanity.

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An SSD should open everything much faster.  

If you are staying in the Mac ecosystem and looking for a very fast machine with SSD  I would recommend an iMac with the i9 8 core chip.  Mine runs FormZ very well and is going to be much faster than a 2010 Mac Pro at both single and multi core tasks, at a pretty decent price point.  v9 opens in about 4 sec. on my iMac.

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On 7/26/2019 at 10:48 AM, johnalexander1571 said:

Paul's old guidelines

Hey John,

Can you share a link to these?

 

Thanks,

Joe

 

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Hi Joe,

Sorry, I was talking about the general rules for keeping file sizes down, the common sense stuff. Paul used to describe techniques of building models correctly or setting display res correctly for models because back then it was so much more important. So, I don't have an actual list. That stuff isn't as critical anymore, computers have become so powerful.

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I know you guys know this but I'll mention it anyway.

Check the undo option, default is unlimited and if for some reason, these are saving with the file, well, you know...

 

Just thought I'd mention it.

Joe

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