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NO, it's not dead!

 

I'm a big fan of the Thea FormZ plugin as well.  I reached out to Manolis at Solid Iris last week for an update and within 24hours, I got this in return.   :)

 

Hi Justin,

 
Thanks for pointing to that thread. As I replied there, questions regarding the plugin's availability should be directed to our sales.
The plugin's development has not stopped, the version synced with the latest version of Thea (1455) will be made public next Tuesday  :)
 
Thanks for contacting us.
 
Kind Regards,
Manolis
 
Edited by Justin Montoya

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this all doesnt help to anyone not customer, as the test version is still the old one and sales told me that currently it is not possible to buy it...

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6 weeks later...

I am still a big fan of Thea/FZ and bought the plug-in, question is:

 

- Development is cancelled due to not enough FZ users buying into it...?

- ...an update is in the making ? (Yes its out and works well)

- Thea will be integrated into FormZ 9 (wohoo) ?

 

Any "official" note regarding continuity of the plug-in?

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Hello.

 

I've reached out to Solid Iris to see if we can get any further clarification.  The fact that Blender, Fusion 360 and 3D Studio MAX are no longer available for purchase is suspicious to me.  Leaving only Cinema 4D, Rhino, and SketchUp.  There are likely more 3D Studio users than all other combined, so it would be especially surprising to hear that they were no longer supporting that enormous platform.  

 

Let's wait and see before we jump to bad conclusions.  

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Another 6 weeks later,

Nvidia has just released OSX drivers for their latest "pascal" based cards, GTX 1070, 1060 etc., which makes Thea/GPU rendering an even more powerful option on Macs.

Any sign of life regarding future of the Thea FZ Plugin  ?  Yes/No/maybe ?

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Well, it's not dead, it works great in its current form, even if there are a few features missing from the other integrations.  

 

It's development is on pause until they release a big new update on the other platforms, which will then get rebuilt on the other integrations. 

 

More info:  https://thearender.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=20858

 

QUOTED:

 

by giannis » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:31 am

Dear Friends,

First off, I want to personally thank you for your patience and support. In the last few months, the team here has been working on a number of very exciting updates to our rendering software while also redefining our plans for the future. Our recent acquisition by Altair has set extremely high expectations and goals with respect to our software quality and creating a long-term strategy for Thea Render and its connections.

Although there are always many priorities to consider, there is one that is of the highest importance for all of us; our end user. Ensuring that our loyal user base is satisfied with the quality of the product and service we are providing has always been our main concern and continues to be fundamental within Altair.

I must admit that we have recently become a bit silent compared to how we were exposing things in the past. The reason is that we are very busy adding a number of great features in our next major edition and it is important that such features are exposed at the right moment, related to the announcement and publishing of the edition.

Some of you have noticed that we removed several plugins from our store. We have discontinued them for the time being. While reviewing our offerings, the high standards we have set for our products and support made us somewhat skeptical about certain integrations. In our evaluation, we felt that we needed to put a few of our plugins on hiatus. Our ultimate goal for a number of them is to recreate them from scratch, to meet the highest user expectations.

The above also explains our strategy; it is not always the best to push everything forward at once. Sometimes (and even more given the complexity of Thea Render overall package, its connections and integrations), it is better to focus on certain parts, platforms and services to get the greatest implementations in a shorter time and then port the success on the other platforms as well. We are carefully creating our plan, so that we are taking very small steps back in some parts but at the same time maximizing our progress in others.

Finally, to make sure that our communication stays intact we will be releasing monthly announcements discussing our progress. The monthly announcements will be following closely our internal roadmap and development. Make sure to stay tuned with us either through our forum, social media or newsletter.

With the above said, I would like also to conclude with a commitment to you; Thea Render is here to stay and we are working hard to make it the clear leader in photorealistic rendering. I hope you will stay with us for the exciting ride.

Best regards"

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sounds quite confusing. cannot understand the reason why they don't sell licenses as long as there is a working version  of the FZ plugin if they don't want to support this version, they still could sell licenses by a lower price, excluding any support beyond the forum discussions. as i am not upgrading maxwell anymore (my main platform lightwave was removed from the supported plugins and the upgrade fee to the latest version is ridiculously high, not offering much more than an experimental GPU support for mac users) this was my last hope to get physically based rendering straight out of FZ.

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"Some of you have noticed that we removed several plugins from our store. We have discontinued them for the time being.

While reviewing our offerings, the high standards we have set for our products and support made us somewhat skeptical about certain integrations."

 

Those lines make sense somehow. Induced coma.

 

It is beyond my imagination how much work has to be put into to developing and maintaining all these plugins.

Lets just assume it was just 1 month and 1 person for the Z plug-in  (so: being fully illusional), but even then: how many Z users have bought the plug-in:

10 ?

20 ?

Just guessing from what i`ve seen here.  It would still be not enough to even make up for that 1 month.

 

I really hope FZ and Thea can somehow make a deal on integration, adding to / or replacing Renderzone finally. 

Maybe that would benefit both products.

 

Of course I only say that hoping Thea will stay around and at least be available/maintained "as is" to run under the next FZ  v9 update...

Edited by R2D2

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Like 3dworks I've been watching Thea with interest - I didn't make the jump at the time because I didn't have the time to look at it and I was doing some animations and the current version of the thea plug-in didn't support animation.

 

I can appreciate how they would want to re-evaluate stuff particularly when they have just been taken over however would it not make more sense to give away the current plug-in on the understanding there would be no support at the moment. It would still generate sales of Thea Studio and would slowly increase the user base until they decide to redevelop the the plug-in (probably at FMZ9).

 

I too am excited by the possibilities of Thea and would like the opportunity to explore and test.

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R.I.P. Thea FormZ plug-in:

 

"Thea for formZ is not anymore one of our actively developed plugins. I cannot give you a definite yes or no answer but as far as I can tell any updates that may happen in the near future will only target fixing occurring issues for the existing functionality, based on user feedback."

 

So to give some user feedback: I really liked working with it in FZ, my guess is everybody did.

Thanks Manolis/Thea for developing it.

 

Can we get an "official statement" from Thea and/or FormZ here; will it at least be maintained so that it will still run once V9 is out, or if this is plain EOL. ?

 

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pity because it actually worked well as a demo. with my hardware setup (nvidia 980ti + macpro mid 2010)  it was extremely fast, results look very good and easy to use. strange that they still didn't remove the FZ plugin option from their website - you even can download the demo.

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Since Solid Iris was acquired by Altair, many of it's rendering plugins have stopped being developed.  I was one of the few who actually bought this plugin, and from communication with them, they ultimately felt there was not enough interest in the plugin to continue immediate development.   They did say they would continue to evaluate the interest in the future, and that's why they are leaving the demo available.  They are working on a rather big internal upgrade to the rendering engines, so after that they will incorporate it into the various plugins.  If you would like to see this get updated for FormZ, please reach out to them and let them know you are interested.

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Dissapointing that its discontinued, I had the trial and thought it was really good actually but I went with Maxwell in the end.

 

I must say however, I am greatly concerned regards to things like this. It seams that the Z user base is tiny which makes me reluctant to invest. Really hope Maxwell and Vray don't go the same way, that would be disastrous. 

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R.I.P.

I guess its time to wrap this up, I contacted Thea half a year ago to find out what is going on.

My proposal was to issue an official statement here and call it a day.

This never happened, neither from Thea`s nor ADS`s side, which leaves me in the dust if this was terminated by Thea or outcome of the Vray/FZ venture and terminated by ADS.

 

Part from their answer was:

 

…„It is true that the plugin has been removed from our e-shop but w e continue the support and maintenance of the integration. 

There are changes and enhancements to this integration that would let us evaluate better how to proceed in the future regarding its availability.

 

…please note that you can still use both the plugin and the Studio, as the bundle you had bought contained both of them.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.“…

 

Bottom line I would be interested if anybody is still using Thea with FZ.

Also if anybody is interested in using my license please let me know and we can try to work something out if a transfer is allowed.

 

Finally I think we users who bought this (basically DOA) product deserve a statement from ADS and/or Thea here.

 

thx

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