Studio-Swaim Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 To my understanding V6+ will not work beyond Mac OS system 10.9 correct? (if memory serves me right, in past posts some say it works and others say it doesn't) Though I am pretty much all up to speed and primarily using V8+ for 95% of my work flow, there are still those KEY tools and features I use that FZ has eliminated from the newer version (or made more difficult to use than in previous versions) that has me opening up V6 for every project. I was wondering if any users who are in the same boat have found a workflow friendly way of being able to move forward with system upgrades while being able to access older versions of software they rely on. (not necessarily FZ. but any older software). I don't want to have to boot up a completely separate computer to run one program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew West Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 I have been in the same boat for years. Unfortunately, my solution has been to keep an older computer around with the old software. I knew an illustrator in Seattle that used a Mac Classic from 1986 with a version of some software that was only written for a couple of years. He used it to do perspective layouts and it worked just fine for his needs so he never upgraded anything. He swore that when the machine died he would retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Dear Matt & Andrew, While it is not officially supported, formZ 6.7.3 will run on OS X 10.10, 10.11, and 10.12. Just install the current WIBU Driver for your key. If there are issues that you prefer in v6, please send an email to support@formz.com with details and we will see what suggestions we can offer, or if there is anything that can be improved with the current version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio-Swaim Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 This is good news... but it feels iffy. Do ya'll have machines running v6 on 10.10? I'd feel better knowing the scenario is actually in use and not in theory. I've made my suggestions and frustrations known to tech support and in other forum discussions but haven't seen anything result from it.... yet. My fingers are still crossed. When I first started using FZ in 96 the instructor that I had teaching it to me always raved about how when ever he came across something or had a suggestion, FZ always added it in to the next version. I'm guessing the number of suggestions you get now are a bit more in volume and can't accommodate them as easily as you did in the early years. :-). I just have 3 core components of V6 that are holding me back from be able to move completely over to V8. 1. Extend Line tool in draft mode: (my biggy) Ya'll nixed the "relative" option. leaving only numeric and percentage, as options. Takes a lot more clicks and stifles the ability to be random. (Draft mode is kinda wonky too.. Can't really figure out why it operates like 3d space when it's supposed to be in draft mode (2d space) But... I confess, I have not spent much time trying to figure out draft mode in V8 since I'm long gone and back to V6 by that point. I figure if my dreams come true and the "Relative" extend line feature is brought back, I can just export my hidden lines as dwg's and bring them back in 2d. 2. Steam line tool: (the most perplexing change) Ya'll eliminated the stream line tool which I can't figure out why. A simple trace of a person underlay with a wacom tablet and the streamline tool turns in to a laborsom process trying to finagle the curve tools. Sometimes you just need to draw and not waste time! draw a person with the stream line tool in 2 minutes. curve tool = give up in 2 minutes and go to V6 :-) 3: Sweep tool: (the most frustrating) I know ya'll have heard it on this one from many users. If I have a sweep that needs to be done, I'm off to V6 to use the "user friendly" sweep tool. It never fails... every time I say "today is the day I'm going to conquer the V8+ sweep tool" I re-watch the tutorial, then spend 30 minutes trying to get it to sweep like I need it to, and 50% of the time it does and the other 50% I head to the dock and open up V6. Maybe there just needs to be a trouble shooting video done for it, that covers all the scenarios. It has good features, it's just temperamental and frustrating compared to the precision of V6. (Note: I do wish there was a zoom in option. in the preview window on V6 sweep tool....) 4: Components: (this is my bonus wish) The switch to components from symbols has been equally as frustrating as the sweep tool... It's hard to grasp. seems like every time I open a project I get a new confusing dialog box asking me something about my component library. Not understanding the tech talk I just click something to make it go away and then find my components aren't working or they are altered or the materials are no longer assigned. What does embedded mean? what does this new pop up dialog mean, what is this? what is that? if I click ok what will change? why are my pink cars stamping down green?.... Where as I'd like the old stuff added back in to the new software on 1-3.. I think this one just requires a more education... extensive or additional video tutorials on the working gears and what all the dialog boxes mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio-Swaim Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 Andrew, This sounds like a friend of mine in the industry... May be one in the same. Bill Hook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Hi Matt, Ok, thanks for the suggestions, we will consider these for the future. Regarding the Sweep tool, if you can post a file, or email it to support@formz.com, we should be able to help with that. Embedded components are those that are "embedded" (or contained) within the file. You can also use External Libraries -- but that is generally not necessary. Right click on the Place Component tool, and choose Manual for more details on how components work, and just shoot us an email if you have any further questions on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHTOH Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 To my understanding V6+ will not work beyond Mac OS system 10.9 correct? (if memory serves me right, in past posts some say it works and others say it doesn't) Though I am pretty much all up to speed and primarily using V8+ for 95% of my work flow, there are still those KEY tools and features I use that FZ has eliminated from the newer version (or made more difficult to use than in previous versions) that has me opening up V6 for every project. I was wondering if any users who are in the same boat have found a workflow friendly way of being able to move forward with system upgrades while being able to access older versions of software they rely on. (not necessarily FZ. but any older software). I don't want to have to boot up a completely separate computer to run one program. Hello Swaim. I use both v8.5 and 6.7 on the shame machine running Mac OS 10.10.5 . And I have no trouble with system incompatibility at all. Best, Anton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio-Swaim Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share Posted November 2, 2016 Ok guys... I'm going to go ahead and upgrade the system. If it works for you... It should work for me. Thanks for the insight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisA Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I also use 10.7 & 8.5 on OS 10.12.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¢hris £und Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Another for 6.7x and 8.5 on os 10.10.5 ( I have other old software that prevents me from upgrading further on my Primary machine ) I have 10.11.x on my laptop, and also can use 6.7 on it, though don't really need it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¢hris £und Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Swaim, there really isn't a 2D Draft mode any longer. all dimensions can be placed into 3D space now. There is the Layout App, Personally, I would use it more if it had additional display modes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew West Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Andrew, This sounds like a friend of mine in the industry... May be one in the same. Bill Hook? That was Bill Hook and he did retire. He is just doing watercolors for fun now. Happier more than ever since he no longer has architects critiquing his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbuxton Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Although there have been vast improvements to FormZ over v 7, 8, 8.5 there has been rather a lot of removed functionality too. It is rather telling that so many users need to run 6.7 alongside current versions to keep access to functionality they need. As happy as I am using FormZ this is very very far from ideal. Can I add to the above features that I would very much like to see restored to current versions. MetaformZ THE WIBU DONGLE LWA support I also liked the C mesh tools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darwin06 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 THE WIBU DONGLE I understand the practicality of wanting continued use of the hardware key (it's obviously very easy to move your formZ license from one computer to another), but from a tech and business standpoint it doesn't make much sense to request it for modern-day software. The hardware itself costs money, I'm sure it costs money to use the WIBU security system, plus they can end up lost or broken which costs more money... and would be incredibly inconvenient when it comes to crunch time. Also, USB-A is slowly being phased out much like optical drives over the past few years so relying on old technology doesn't seem very productive in this industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbuxton Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I too understand that hardware keys are somewhat redundant for modern software licensing. However removing the dongle and replacing it with a not so modern node locked alternative is removing functionality. If Autodessys had replaced the dongle with a license system that remained equally portable I would have no grounds for complaint. I can't even change the OS from Mac to Windows without breaking my formZ license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I can't even change the OS from Mac to Windows without breaking my formZ license. Gentlemen, Thanks for all your suggestions and feedback, we will consider these for the future. Brian, We just wanted to clarify that there is no reason why you can't use one of your registrations for a Mac, and the other for a PC. If you are having any issues with this, please contact support@formz.com so we can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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