Shibui Design Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Hello: I've found a problem that is easily reproduced. Create a rectangular volume. Control round (circular) an edge. Derive the resulting arc and two line segments connected with it. Now try to derive 3D wall from that. It doesn't work. Of course, there's an easy workaround but wanted to report this. derive anomaly.fmz.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Hi EnvDesign, This is working fine for us. Of course if you have the Perpendicular to Reference Plane option enabled and the XY plane, that won't work with this shape, but if you use the Perpendicular to Surface, that works as expected. Are you seeing something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibui Design Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 Does not work for me. I've tried using both perpendicular to surface and reference plane. Neither one works. I've duplicated the problem several times, starting from a new file. Did you explore the file I posted. All ghosted objects are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Yes, we tested with your file -- and just clicking on the J shape with the Derive 3d Wall tool makes the shape immediately. Does this not work for you, or do you need to do something else to reproduce the issue? And can you post a screen capture of the Tool Options that are not working for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisA Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Its working for me too. There are no ghosted objects in file you sent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibui Design Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 Sorry posted wrong file. Here's another file with ghosted objects. Try these specific steps to reproduce this. 1. create rectangle on x,y plane with extrude option to create a rectangular volume 2. control round with circular option. select corner segment 3. prepick with segment sequence option two of the line segments 4. return select mode to auto pick 5. derive 3d wall, try both options: perpendicular to reference plane and surface (note: there is no surface, as this is an open wire) I can achieve this using slightly different steps, but this particular sequence of steps does not work when I attempt. V7.3.4 derive anomaly2.fmz.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibui Design Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 in step three, forgot to say "derive segment." That should follow prepick with segment sequence option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Works fine here: Again, there are no ghosts. If you open your file that you posted, can you just directly derive the 3d Wall from your open wire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibui Design Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 No... it will not derive, no matter what options I use. Ghosted objects are automatically stripped from my files when closing. Is this an option or pref. somewhere? That's why the files posted do not contain ghosted objects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 You can control the "fate" of Ghosted operands for existing files from the File Menu: Project Settings: And you can control these settings for New Projects in the Edit Menu: Preferences: BUT -- If you open your file and you can not Derive a 3d wall from the existing shape, then the entire description and steps and ghosted objects do not matter, right? If you can not derive a 3d wall from the shape you posted, please let us know WHAT Options you are trying to use, and what version of formZ you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibui Design Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 Thanks for the tips on preserving ghosted objects! Using FormZ Renderzone 7.3.4 OSX. Neither of the options work. I've tried both perpendicular to surface (there is no surface) and perpendicular to reference plane. That would be the YZ plane. Interesting to note that I can achieve the same objects that I'm trying to extrude by different methods successfully, however these specific steps don't work. It seems this is isolated to me. It's not that important to spend anymore time trying to sort this out, but just thought it might be a bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 What exact options are you using? And if you just open the file and click on the existing shape (without doing all the other steps), what exactly happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibui Design Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 Options = perpendicular to surface and perp to reference plane as noted above. Nothing happens when I try to simply derive the open wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 How about Justification, Wall Width, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibui Design Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 So far attempts have been centered justified, 1.5" and 12" in width. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 If you download a fresh copy from here, does that help? http://www.formz.com/update Or if you Quit formZ, go to the Finder: Go Menu: hold down the Option key, choose Library: Preferences -- and rename the autodessys folder (just add a number to the end of the name), can you then relaunch and derive your wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vva Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 see your step 5: >>5. derive 3d wall, try both options: perpendicular to reference plane and surface (note: there is no surface, as this is an open wire)<< you have to derive a face first- from the open wire, then you reshape that face to a volume have a try vva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 VVA, Yes, the Reshape does require a Face, but the Derive 3d Wall does not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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