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  1. skybound13

    Why form•z is not popular any more:

    DanM, Yeah, the precision in construction is nothing compared to what you’re working with. I once heard someone say, “If it looks straight, it is straight.” I thought that was funny, that doesn’t cut it in your industry. You mention mould fabrication…I guess they are CNC-ed or maybe 3D printed depending on the mould. Something that gets me is to think what it must have been like before they had the machines to make the machines that make the things we have now. Like, just how did they make the first straightedge without something straight as a reference? :-) I guess it goes back to what I said above, “If it looks straight, it is straight.” I watched a video that makes a reference to Pumapunka with some nice footage of the crazy stoneworking they were doing. It’s funny, the Wikipedia article makes reference to some brainiac who came to the conclusion that they must have possessed “additional tools” that remain undiscovered - ya think? And of course no great mystery would be complete without a few alien theories!
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    Why form•z is not popular any more:

    DanM, That is frustrating, when a schedule constraint limits the design. I was looking at a book about Phillipe Stark back in college, he was talking a bit about his workflow. He made it sound like if he needed more time for design he’d just tell the client and they could take it or leave it - but most of us don’t have the luxury of setting the schedule. Also of interest was how he said his process includes an “incubation time” where they take the design so far then stop working on it for a while, then they go back with fresh eyes and continue working. As for Stark letting his clients know that he sets the schedule, makes me think of something I read about Frank Gehry, I guess a couple came to him to design a house and they had lots of pictures of how they wanted it to look, he told them, “No, you come to me for what I can give you!” :-) I don’t know the sorts of features that industrial designers want in their software, you guys are sweating details so fine that we take care of those tolerances with caulk in the field. :-) I did see two videos on YouTube regarding parametric features, looks like formZ has at least recognized that some people may find a use for such features: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdVm0dSn6mY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMy7iUhxPAg
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    Why form•z is not popular any more:

    allenjl, I definitely appreciate the time-saving benefits of parametric objects, you’re working smarter rather than harder by leveraging those features as part of your workflow. The formZ stair tool actually looks fairly robust based on the video I saw on YouTube, using that as a starting point would save a lot of time.
  4. skybound13

    Why form•z is not popular any more:

    I’ve never been a fan of parametric features. I prefer drafting and modeling with “dumb” geometry, I manipulate the abstract geometry and determine the arrangement of lines and forms to represent what it is I desire. So for CAD, it’s basically a digital pencil, for modeling, it’s like virtual chipboard. I know an architect who has used ArchiCAD for years, he loves the concept of “intelligent objects.” I told him, “No thanks, it’s my job to add the intelligence to the drawings!” Ironically, he did the architectural drawings for a developer I’ve worked for, I got a call one day from the site superintendent asking what the height for the guardrails was - it wasn’t dimensioned anywhere on the drawings. So with my architect friend I think he skimped a bit on human intelligence (and the architect’s standard of care) by adequately reviewing the drawings to avoid such omissions. I’m definitely not saying that there’s anything wrong with parametric features, if it works for you more power to you. But I wonder if such “Computer-Aided Design” is not making weaker designers. I actually take issue with making the D stand for “Design,” I think it should be “Drafting,” it is the user’s job to do the design.
  5. skybound13

    Why form•z is not popular any more:

    Regarding “construction history,” I’ve always saved new versions of drawing and models files as I have developed them so if I ever have to go back to an earlier version I have a copy, I also add a note in my project log when I create the file for reference. The new file number (for example, “model01” becomes “model02” as I develop it) is generally done at more significant milestones, most files have design alternatives off to the side within the file on different layers so I can see options side-by-side. I saw on an Affinity Designer (or maybe Photo) video where they were talking about their history panel, I guess it keeps track of everything ever done in the file? Maybe you’re looking for something more like that. The Affinity history allows for branching paths, I’ve never seen that in an application before but I don’t have experience with lots of different applications to know.
  6. skybound13

    Why form•z is not popular any more:

    When I see what Jones, Partners: Architecture does with formZ I’m impressed - if that’s only “reasonably well” and not a “dedicated tool” then that’s good enough for me. Here are samples from their page in the formZ gallery: https://forums.formz.com/gallery/album/103-jones-partners-architecture/, their website (http://jonespartners.com/text.html) has more. That’s the second time I’ve used the term “impressed” in as many posts - maybe I’m just easily impressed (or in need of a thesaurus!) But I am partial to the style of rendering used in a lot of the formZ models I’ve seen from Jones, Partners. As for marketing, when I go to the formZ homepage I don’t get too excited by the image in the banner along the top or even the three images used for the “form-Z pro,” “V-Ray for form-Z,” or “form-Z jr” links, but the image used for the “form-Z free” link catches my eye. I guess because I do smaller projects and don’t even try to make anything that looks as real as the four images I just mentioned. In my opinion the Jones, Partners images would make a better first impression on the homepage. Plus I’m not hot on curves in architecture at all, so the subject matter of the four images just isn’t my style. But I will say this, when I see those more complex models I think to myself, “If formZ can do that then it can handle the simpler things I’d want to use it for.” But I’m not a marketing genius by any stretch of the imagination so I really can’t offer any good suggestions in that area. I think the gallery shows how people are using formZ in a lot of different disciplines, that does demonstrate the “Swiss army knife” flexibility - maybe that’s actually a strength of the software - just what the modeling tool can be used to make is up to the person using it.
  7. skybound13

    Why form•z is not popular any more:

    Good point about the difficulties of trying to use one type of application to do what another type of application is designed to do. As for workflow, I’m a formZ newbie but I was very impressed by how easy it was to work through the 30-Minute Model tutorial video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n0FGm3kw2I) - it was no more difficult than using SketchUp which has a reputation for being easy to learn and use.
  8. skybound13

    Why form•z is not popular any more:

    Thanks for sharing that you haven’t had problems buying from the App Store, maybe I’ll get it from there after all. Another concern I might run into later as they upgrade the App Store is compatibility with my older operating system, I’d like to stay with High Sierra as long as I can. Funny, the thing that has been driving my operating system upgrades has been the tax software I use! :-) I’ve used Pages ’09 (version 4.0.1) for what little page layout work I need to do, I think I would enjoy Publisher. I wouldn’t know what to do with Design, I’ve never done vector drawing before. I thought this video was very cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMlJrYE8Xo0, for someone who knows nothing about vector illustration (me) it was very interesting to see the workflow and watch the artist develop a sketch into the refined final product. Looks like working on a pen display would be nice, I guess the iPad would give you the same experience but just a smaller working area.
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    Why form•z is not popular any more:

    I'm subscribed to the Affinity newsletter, they sent a notice yesterday that the 50% sale ends June 30, price for those in the US is $24.99 each. It's my intention to buy all three even though I don't have a use for graphics software now, I've been very impressed by a few review and tutorial videos I've watched. I'm torn between buying through the App Store (I have credit from gift cards so the purchase would not cost me cash out of my pocket) or direct from Serif (I do prefer to deal directly with companies when possible.) I've read some stories online of people having problems with upgrading applications purchased through the App Store, I'm thinking it's safer to buy from Serif.
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    Left field, far out suggestion

    My first response to this suggestion is that it’s a great idea, it’s nice to be informed. It can also generate excitement and anticipation for whatever is coming up. My only reservation would be if they can’t report progress as quickly as some people may want or expect (which may or may not be reasonable expectations.) Then people might start asking for more detailed explanations and then ADS is distracted from actually working on improvements to the software.
  11. skybound13

    Tutorials??

    Justin Montoya made the first suggestion for a “framework” for consistency, then suggested we start with the simple GIF animations. Maybe the first step is to do the simply GIF animations for each feature and establish a template for each page (one feature per page.) By doing this the entire scope of tools and features for the manual will be established, then additional information can be added to each page within the constraints of the template. Maybe it is set up using some sort of Wikipedia-type interface where anyone can make edits. Maybe that wiki interface can be exported to PDF from time to time for those who would like to print it as Mike requested. Maybe I should be more definite in my suggestions. I guess ADS would be OK with adding something like this on the Support page. As for a template or “framework,” why not just use what ADS used in their PDF tutorials?
  12. skybound13

    Tutorials??

    Putting the tutorials on the formz3D YouTube channel would be nice, it would be a convenient way for people who are looking at longer tutorial videos to find them. There for a while I was doing a little “lunch and learn” study where I’d watch through the videos in the “Discover formZ - tutorials” playlist while eating lunch, a new playlist with all the right-click videos would be a convenient reference. I prefer it when reference materials are included with an application (such as a PDF of a manual versus a help center that only works when online,) but in this case I’d suggest going with whatever takes less work.
  13. skybound13

    Tutorials??

    Justin, Seems like something like this wouldn’t be too difficult to put together, it’s just takes time. With that in mind one has to ask who puts in that time, ADS or the users? So back to your comment that you’d like to see more tutorials, were you thinking that is something the developer should do? The vertical tool bar on the right is interesting. I remember at my first job everyone set up custom toolbars for AutoCAD, from time to time I had to work on someone else’s computer and it was always frustrating to try to find where they put the tools I needed to use. I finally worked around that by just learning the key commands. One day one of the principals commented about how he could always hear me typing away in the other room, I should have told him, “That’s the sound of productivity - I deserve a raise, don’t you think?” The other principal loved his custom “pick box” - it was huge. I had been doing something in a file then he asked me to close it so he could open it on his computer. A few minutes later he called me in and said he couldn’t find what I had been working on (I always did a Zoom Extents before saving a file.) So I go in to his office and looked at the screen for a few seconds then told him, “Move your pick box…”
  14. skybound13

    Tutorials??

    I’m not sure what Justin Montoya has in mind with the reference to “framework,” I interpreted it to mean “template.” Another form of tutorial is the “self-guided” tutorials that use a formZ file with scenes set up for each step, there are some of these in the Getting Started window, I thought these were helpful and a unique way to walk someone through learning the software.
  15. skybound13

    Tutorials??

    Another option would be to have a short video for each step instead of a screen snapshot. I have watched lots of video tutorials and found many to be very helpful, such as the formZ 30-minute model which I thought was especially good. But there must still be some interest in printed learning materials (which would include a written tutorial posted to the forum,) case in point is the Affinity workbooks, they have one for each of their three applications, each book being offered for $49.99. But now that I think about it, just because their books are being “offered” doesn’t mean anyone’s buying them! :-)
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