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#21 ingoerik

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 02:17 PM

Thanks for the info, Justin. Well the companies i work with all use extra tabletts/smartphones or laptops for their internet stuff, but their work computers are decoupled from the interwebs, they have just an internal network. So all data exchange works with usb-sticks, no big problem, i just need it for importing the dwgs or sending out pictures.

 

Hmm, that makes Vray pretty useless for me, thats why i have to agree with Alan when he said : I get the impression V-Ray are more concerned about protecting themselves than they are about us getting our work done. 


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 04:47 PM

Thanks for the info, Justin. Well the companies i work with all use extra tabletts/smartphones or laptops for their internet stuff, but their work computers are decoupled from the interwebs, they have just an internal network. So all data exchange works with usb-sticks, no big problem, i just need it for importing the dwgs or sending out pictures.

 

Hmm, that makes Vray pretty useless for me, thats why i have to agree with Alan when he said : I get the impression V-Ray are more concerned about protecting themselves than they are about us getting our work done. 

I know this is a huge problem for Govt or highly controlled IT networks... I have a number of clients who use formZ and to keep them up to date is a nightmare as they can't connect to the outside internet or manage a simple update, because it's web based. They are at a huge disadvantage due to security based permissions.

All software authors I know 'sniff' out your usage and consequently allow their services. Remember you never own software just a license to use and 'Vray- Chaos Labs' is no different to others. Please read the 'EULA' on all your software and be surprised by what the software owners can do on your machine in exchange for the software use.

I like the fact that Vray allows you to borrow time for non networked usage.



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 04:48 PM

Thanks for the info, Justin. Well the companies i work with all use extra tabletts/smartphones or laptops for their internet stuff, but their work computers are decoupled from the interwebs, they have just an internal network. So all data exchange works with usb-sticks, no big problem, i just need it for importing the dwgs or sending out pictures.

 

Hmm, that makes Vray pretty useless for me, thats why i have to agree with Alan when he said : I get the impression V-Ray are more concerned about protecting themselves than they are about us getting our work done. 

 

I know this is a huge problem for Govt or highly controlled IT networks... I have a number of clients who use formZ and to keep them up to date is a nightmare as they can't connect to the outside internet or manage a simple update, because it's web based. They are at a huge disadvantage due to security based permissions.

All software authors I know 'sniff' out your usage and consequently allow their services. Remember you never own software just a license to use and 'Vray- Chaos Labs' is no different to others. Please read the 'EULA' on all your software and be surprised by what the software owners can do on your machine in exchange for the software use.

I like the fact that Vray allows you to borrow time for non networked usage.



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:43 PM

So if my internet goes down for a couple hours I can't use V-Ray at all?  That sucks.  There are times when I do not have internet for short periods of time.  

 

I would love the released version to only need to connect once a day, but maybe V-Ray doesn't work like this across the board?   Maybe the final version could only have  to connect once every 24 hours or something like that???  

 

All my other CAD software programs allowing working offline: FormZ, Vectorworks, Draftsight


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#25 ingoerik

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 03:50 AM

Well there is a difference between just connecting to control if there is a valid license and collecting user data, the later is illegal in many countries. In Modo you have the same problem, but you only have to connect once a month and you can even ask for a license that dont need an internet connection.

 

Just think what happens if the Chaos-Group server collapses or will be attacked, that will be a lot of fun ... well, kind off.  :D


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 04:17 AM

allan,

you can run two versions of fz on one machine:

one with the plugin and one without

 

vva

Hi vva,

 

Thank you for that information, I didn't know this; however, if I am prepared to go to the effort of installing a second copy of FZ on my same computer, will this introduce confusion either to myself or the program with regard to where it/they look for preference files, libraries, most recent files etc?, and will this increase the occasions where I cannot use the program at all being locked out due to a 'too many computers' trigger, which has already been a problem due to working on 2 machines and at least 2 locations but never simultaneously? Although I appreciate the information, I think what you suggest could open a can of worms.


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#27 ingoerik

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 09:56 AM

Since i already opened the can of worms i maybe can answer your questions, i have 8.57 and 8.6 installed, and of course named the programs with that number. In my case i use the same preferences and workspaces without problems, and recent files are exactly the same as far as i can see, never use recent files though. And i dont use libraries, so i cant answer that question.

 

Hope this helps a bit.


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Posted 23 November 2017 - 11:22 AM

Since i already opened the can of worms i maybe can answer your questions, i have 8.57 and 8.6 installed, and of course named the programs with that number. In my case i use the same preferences and workspaces without problems, and recent files are exactly the same as far as i can see, never use recent files though. And i dont use libraries, so i cant answer that question.

 

Hope this helps a bit.

Thanks ingoerik, that is a little bit reassuring, however, 8.57 and 8.6 isn't the same as 2 copies of 8.6. Surprised you don't use libraries though. I find my component libraries indispensable (but I do not retain them as components in my models).


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#29 ingoerik

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 04:31 AM

Well, i am faster replacing a set of 20 windows then building up a component library and use that, and now that we have clones back it makes my life easier too. I usually copy elements out of an old project into a new project, so components are not needed.


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Posted 24 November 2017 - 10:50 AM

I seriously want to only connect to V-Ray on the occasions I actually intend to use it. Now I have delays closing as well as opening FormZ. Sadly, I'm removing the V-Ray plugin until 'licensing' delays are resolvedS171124-0017.jpg .


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#31 Justin Montoya

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 05:00 PM

So if my internet goes down for a couple hours I can't use V-Ray at all?  That sucks.  There are times when I do not have internet for short periods of time.  

 

I would love the released version to only need to connect once a day, but maybe V-Ray doesn't work like this across the board?   Maybe the final version could only have  to connect once every 24 hours or something like that???  

 

All my other CAD software programs allowing working offline: FormZ, Vectorworks, Draftsight

 

If you have an unsteady internet connection, you are likely going to want to use the 14 day offline license all of the time.  That way you only have to connect every 2 weeks to renew the offline license.



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Posted 27 November 2017 - 06:56 AM

Followup:

 

I STILL have not received anything in the way of a followup from Chaos regarding my issue with the download link being stripped from their email.

 



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Posted 27 November 2017 - 09:54 PM

FZnoob-

 

Did you email vray@formz.com?

 

This integration is being developed by AutoDesSys, so you are unlikely to get a response directly from Chaos.



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Posted 28 November 2017 - 12:42 AM

All,

 

Unfortunately we do not control the licensing for V-Ray. This licensing method is the same for all V-Ray implementations. While internet based licensing has some downside, it also has some upside as well. The biggest upside is the pooling of licenses making it very easy to share licenses between machines without the need to re-install (or buy a license per machine when not used simultaneously). 

 

Licenses can be borrowed (checked out) for the occasions when an internet connection will not be available. For installations with no internet access at all, V-Ray does support a older style dongle which we hope to make available as an option. 

 

The V-Ray licensing is quite efficient. The queries between the plugin and the license server are very fast. We suspect that the delay you are experiencing is not from the licensing itself, but just the overhead of loading the plugin and the basic initialization of V-Ray. We will investigate if this process can be improved as we approach release.

 



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Posted 28 November 2017 - 02:35 AM

Thanks Tech. As I've said before, as I only need to render occasionally, I would like to activate the V-Ray side of things only when I need to, and not connect with V-Ray on the 95% other occasions I am using FZ. Otherwise I may decide not to buy the V-Ray plugin, and take the route instead of exporting my file, opening in eg. Blender and use a Render Farm which supports the Blender V-Ray plugin for the few occasions I require it.


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 11:03 AM

A new version of V-Ray for formZ is now available. An email has been sent to all beta testers with the details!

 

Enjoy!


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:41 AM

Working with MacOs High Sierra 10.13.3

Latest FormZ 8.6 WIP Build 9999 and latest Vray
 
I am not able to connect to the Vray License Server anymore.
I have downloaded the latest app vrlservice_osx_4.5.1
It shows that the installation process has finished successfully.
 
I am not able to connect to the server http://localhost:30304 to check the I am connected.
There is the message, that the Webrowser is not able to open the page, because it is not able to establish a connections.
 


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:47 AM

I had a problem with the new license server in a previous build.  If you can uninstall 4.5.1 and reinstall the earlier version 4.4.1, it should work.  



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 05:03 PM

same here, can't access the license anymore.  sounds like the full version will be out soon and I might just wait until then to access V-Ray.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 05:57 AM

same issues here on OSX 10.12.x


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